From our collaborating partner “Living on Earth,” public radio’s environmental news magazine, an interview by host Steve Curwood with Dan Gearino, a staff writer at Inside Climate News based in Columbus, Ohio. 

Voters in 2024 will not only choose who lives in the White House, but will also decide which party controls the Senate, with its unique powers to advance or block legislation and also approve or reject the appointments of judges and other high officials.

Ohio is pivotal in the fight for Senate control, and after a hotly contested primary, Republicans have chosen Bernie Moreno, a former car dealer who has closely aligned himself with 45th President Donald Trump. In November, Moreno will face Democratic Senator Sherrod Brown.

Speaking on MSNBC, Sen. Brown said that after already electing him three times to the Senate, Ohio voters know his record—and also know why they shouldn’t vote for his opponent.

“They know that Bernie Moreno likes to look out for himself,” Brown told MSNBC. “He has said in this campaign that he won’t work with Democrats, he is going to go to Washington and do his own thing. He’s illustrated that by calling for a national abortion ban, with no exceptions, even though Ohio overwhelmingly last November voted for a constitutional amendment on abortion rights … he doesn’t really care what the voters want. That’s really who he is. And we will make that contrast—I fight for Ohio. I listened to people. I do roundtables all over the state. That’s how we got a good infrastructure bill. That’s how we got the CHIPS bill, which is going to create thousands of jobs in Ohio. That’s how you do this job.”

In his primary-night victory speech, Moreno rejected the notion that Senator Brown knows what’s good for Ohio.

“He says he advocates for working class Americans,” Moreno said. “So let’s dissect that for a second. Under Sherrod Brown’s watch, China has gone from a $4 billion trade deficit to a $235 billion trade deficit with America. The middle class has shrunk under his watch. We’ve lost factory after factory under his watch. 

“This is a guy who is for unfettered immigration. He is an open borders radical. Who does that hurt? It hurts the very people he played, he pretends to help. These are people who are getting crushed every single day at the grocery store at the gas station. He’s all for this Green New Deal, this idea that all of us should drive an electric car, have whatever stove he tells us to, live in some small hut somewhere. Well, of course, he hangs out with his buddies in Martha’s Vineyard. That’s who Sherrod Brown really is.”

Columbus, Ohio-based Inside Climate News reporter Dan Gearino is following this contest. The interview has been condensed and edited for length and clarity. 

STEVE CURWOOD: Why is Ohio a significant Senate race in 2024?

DAN GEARINO: Democrats barely control the Senate right now. And they have a pretty tough map. When you look at who is up for reelection, Joe Manchin is retiring, and Democrats are going to almost certainly lose that seat. That means that they pretty much need to run the table on almost all of their other close races—and that includes Ohio. 

Ohio is part of this short list—the others are Montana, Nevada, Arizona—of states where the Democratic incumbent or the Democratic candidate has to win, or else Republicans would take control. Unless there’s some other race out there that becomes competitive that we don’t think is competitive at the moment.

CURWOOD: Ohio has been thought of for many years as a swing state. In fact, Obama won in ’08 and ’12, but Trump won last time around, and won big. What sort of chance does Sherrod Brown have as a Democrat who knows how to win in Ohio?

GEARINO: This has become a tougher state for Sherrod Brown to win. 

CURWOOD: Let’s talk about Sherrod Brown’s opponent for the general election. Who is Bernie Moreno? He’s the Republican candidate that Donald Trump has campaigned pretty heavily for so far.

GEARINO: Bernie Moreno is a car dealer, a business person. And for the purposes of this race, I would say his identity is very much a Trump proxy. If you like Donald Trump, you like Bernie Moreno. As far as issue differences, and as far as the political track record of Bernie Moreno, he doesn’t have a political track record. He is someone who would be a first-time office holder, and this is the first time he’s gotten a long look in a campaign like this. He did run in the primary for the U.S. Senate seat two years ago, but he didn’t stay in long enough to the point where people actually had an opportunity to vote for him. So it’s basically a pretty known quantity in Sherrod Brown against someone whose main selling point in the eyes of voters is that he was endorsed by Donald Trump.

CURWOOD: What kind of record has incumbent Sherrod Brown had on the environment and other things. What’s he look like? What’s he sound like? What’s he done?

GEARINO: Sherrod Brown is not to be confused with his neighbor to the east, Joe Manchin. Both of these guys, they have, to an extent, kind of blue-collar credentials. But Sherrod Brown is much more of a down-the-line Democrat in terms of his voting record, and also just in terms of his demeanor when handling major pieces of energy and environment legislation. 

You look at the Inflation Reduction Act, you look at the bipartisan infrastructure law, Sherrod Brown is someone who was a dependable supporter of those things. Sherrod Brown is someone who will talk about wanting an equitable energy transition. It has been important to him over the course of his career to have policies that make U.S. manufacturing more competitive. And there’s a lot of things in the Inflation Reduction Act that do that. 

But he is not someone who was going to put himself out there and say he’s going to hold up a major piece of legislation because it doesn’t do this or that for fossil fuels the way that Joe Manchin did.

CURWOOD: Brown is on the Senate Agriculture Committee, and this is a time that they’re rewriting the Farm Bill. Despite the fact that most of the money for that is around food stamps, there are, of course, important environmental aspects to the Farm Bill. How is he threading that needle? There are a lot of farmers who are fairly conservative in Ohio. What kind of support can he expect from the farming community?

GEARINO: He’s able to minimize the scale of his losses in agricultural communities, in rural communities, by being pretty friendly with farming organizations, by being on the Ag Committee and by proposing legislation that will at times take an environmentally friendly approach to agriculture practices like, say, encouraging cover crops. Then he frames these environmentally friendly practices in terms of incentives as opposed to penalties, which of course is about the only politically palatable way that you can do some of these things trying to get farmers to modify practices. 

As our politics have changed in the last couple election cycles, you see Democrats relying so much on running up the score in urban and suburban areas, and then just losing rural areas overwhelmingly. If you were drawing up the plan for how Sherrod Brown holds onto the seat, it’s by losing those rural areas but not getting absolutely decimated in those rural areas. 

One of the reasons he can do that is that at town halls or at events, he can talk about the issues that people care about there and seem credible, like he’s not just reading talking points off of a note card. He’s clearly steeped in this stuff.

CURWOOD: Ohio is pretty big when it comes to automobiles, everything from the tire making there to actual vehicle construction, some union jobs, some not union jobs. What’s going on in terms of the electric vehicle transition there? And how might that end up playing in this campaign?

GEARINO: Right now, it’s an unknown how it’s going to play in the campaign. But it’s something I’m going to be watching out for, for a couple reasons. 

One is, Honda is building a gigantic battery plant in Ohio. General Motors, its joint venture that makes batteries, has a big plant in Ohio. And that’s just two of a bunch of examples of how Ohio stands to benefit in a really big way from the shift to electric vehicles, in terms of adding jobs, in terms of adding investment. 

In terms of the kind of partisan breakdown on this issue of the shift to electric transportation, Democrats like it a lot better than Republicans do. It’ll be interesting to see if Sherrod Brown tries and succeeds in saying, you know, that was legislation that Joe Biden helped to pass, that Sherrod Brown helped to pass, that is a big reason that some of these huge investments are happening. 

There’s also this anti-EV sentiment. There are those who are unionized workers who fear that EVs are bad for the long-term health of the auto worker in terms of pay and benefits, and that the shift to EVs will mean fewer workers. That’s very much an open question. Whether or not that’s true or not depends a lot on how well the UAW organizes battery plants. But it’s something that I think Sherrod Brown could potentially argue has been a really good thing. 

It’s also easy for opponents to stoke this anti-EV sentiment, to say EVs are new and weird and we should be scared of them. It’s a sentiment we’ve seen from Donald Trump, it’s a sentiment we’ve seen from some other candidates. 

So I’m curious, especially because Bernie Moreno is a car dealer. Car dealers tend to be more interested than your average person in the new cool thing, and a bunch of automotive brands, their research and development is focusing on the electric vehicle sides of their lineups. I’m eager to see if questions about EVs come up in a debate. I’m eager to see how that issue plays, or if it plays very much in this campaign.

CURWOOD: Some of the record shows that Bernie Moreno is against government mandates on EVs. He’s someone who speaks out for market-driven decisions, and I think it was at a rally for him that Trump went off about EVs.

GEARINO: Yes, it was at the rally just a couple weeks ago where Trump framed the effects of EVs on the auto industry as this “bloodbath.” He was talking about EVs and this idea that it would be a bloodbath for the auto industry, a bloodbath for the economy, and some people heard this and thought he was talking about a literal bloodbath. I’m not really sure. 

But it is indicative of the way that the politics of EVs are probably going to be part of this race in some way. I don’t think it’s going to be a big part, but it’s definitely something that we’re going to see, and it’ll be interesting to see how the candidates talk about it over the course of a campaign. 

CURWOOD: How much does this race matter in the context of the national elections—in the presidential race, the balance of the Senate in play here, and what might happen in terms of climate and environmental policies?

GEARINO: This race is incredibly important for global climate and environmental policy. Right now, Democrats have an incredibly thin majority in the Senate, and they’re almost certainly going to lose one seat. 

If they lose this seat in Ohio, Republicans will most likely have control of the Senate. If Republicans have control of the Senate, that could mean a couple different things, both of which are likely not good for climate and environment legislation. 

One is, if there’s a Biden presidency and Republicans have control of the Senate, it will be very difficult to pass anything that would expand upon what the Biden administration did with the Inflation Reduction Act and other actions. 

If you have a Trump presidency and Republicans, again, control the Senate and they also retained control of the House, this Republican trifecta would be able to unravel big parts of what the Biden administration just did. 

And the same could be said for the seat in Montana, the seat in Arizona, the seat in Nevada, and just this whole larger question of, do Democrats retain control of the Senate? Any one of these seats is really important for having the ability to pass additional climate and clean energy legislation or also having the ability to stop a President Trump from unraveling some of that legislation that’s already been passed.